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May 22, 2020 at 00:54Ray, what about Judge Emmett Sullivan?May 21, 2020 at 16:16Thank you, Excellent Consortium News People.While reading the comments relative to your excellent articles I keep being amazed how so many commentators can be so confused about what is wrong with the USA Government Voting system when, the following issues are facts.1. There is only one branch of Government in the USA which Democratics and Republicans (joined at the hip) share and represent. While the CIA, FBI, and all the other secret service agencies do the dirty work for filthy rich Oligarchs and the system never changes!What is wrong with the regular people. Are they afraid to kick the criminals out of government?The USA will either wither on the vine or take the free world with its self in a badly planned Nuclear War.Wake up good citizens of the USA and re-take your country from the miserable criminals who own it at present!May 20, 2020 at 23:25OK Ray, i need some help here. Since you call “lights out” on this deal. Whats the problem with making the ancient Mueller Grand Jury records public?May 20, 2020 at 17:50“Read it and lament over what has become of yet another formerly respectable journalist. He uncritically quotes a New York contributor, Alex Carp:”Much better than Rich performsing, or whatever–or whatever the term was.Yes, sad that Rich just let Carp spew nonsense denials of Obamagate; this choice emphasizes that Rich, and the New York Magazine editors, simply have not paid attention to easy to verify facts regards the multiple huge fallacies of Russiagate trotted out over the last more than three and half years.May 20, 2020 at 10:04As I watch the unfolding struggle between re-aligning factions in the ruling claque, I often wonder how much you know about which power groups Mr. Trump and Ms Clinton represent. The fireworks have not been so publically visible since the days of McCarthy’s hearings. Anybody here hip to the Mary Carter Paint Company? The Safari Club? Clinton Foundation corruption? The rot goes so deep, this global eternal Rome they’ve been trying to hammer out is bound to implode.May 20, 2020 at 08:04Bush/ Cheney created a Fascist Police State after 9/11, Obama honed and perfected it. Remarkably, idiot Trump has not been able to harness that steed, fighting as he is the DNC MSM, the Intelligence Agencies and the Establishment (like the MICIMATT term!) Trump lacks the competence (the desire?) to advance imperialism beyond empowering Israel. Even with wretched John Bolton and Mike Pompeo we have had no new Forever Wars, which must be driving MICIMATT nuts!)Outside of his National Emergency with sanctions against Nicaragua and the coup in Bolivia (compared to Obama’s genocide in Yemen– support in exchange for calming the crazed Saudis complaints about the Iran deal, Obama’s destruction of Syria, funding both Pentagon and CIA opposing groups, Obama’s destruction of Libya, the only rich, progressive African nation, Obama’s wars against Somalia and Sudan (and National Emergencies with ongoing sanctions against Burundi and Central African Republic– must be a lot of resources there!, Obama’s tripling of troops in Afghanistan left over from the Never-ending War against Iraq, Obama’s National Emergency with sanctions against Venezuela, Obama’s National Emergency with sanctions against Ukraine– with massive corruption from that coup and the American neoNAZI state, the coup in Honduras (which Hillary said was not a coup or the money by law would stop flowing)– Honduras now a narco state, like many in Latin America, adjuncts of the War on Drugs, the coup in Egypt to get rid of Morsi and replace with our typical puppet dictator Sisi, and countless less publicized Obama military “adventures”), Trump has been an underachiever. The MICIMATT needs another Total Fascist who can control and increase both Forever Never-ending Wars for our Global Elite Imperialists, and efficiently put the Intelligence Agencies in charge of suppressing Dissent. trump cannot do it. Biden has the requisite track record (since joining the Senate in 1973) but hopefully he is too addled to be effective. But an effective Dictator, modeled after all the Governments set up by the US worldwide, is coming!May 20, 2020 at 02:58Oh, and BTW, we are not alone – Matt Taibbi is right in there with us.May 20, 2020 at 00:28It is really sad that AnneR is right, RussianGate warrior being “Dem face of the Janus party”. In Rome, one face of Janus was for war, and the other, for peace. As the modern time strive for consistency, with have a deity with two war faces.May 20, 2020 at 00:24Russiagate, like Birther nonsense, won’t disappear, but other examples of stupidity, will come to the fire. Eg, “China did it!”May 19, 2020 at 23:51This Fiasco has been a Cult since the “Pussy Hat March” (a completely pointless event) and #Resistance, which prevented bringing the GIs home. It is still a Cult and it will never die.May 19, 2020 at 23:29Russiagate, like Birther nonsense, won’t disappear, but examples of stupidity, will come to the fire. Eg, “China did it!”May 19, 2020 at 18:27Excellent report. Worth a bookmark.Pick a side, any side. You can’t win if you don’t play.Does the truth really matter? (yes (especially when it comes to journalism)) Our corporately-owned CIA has played us once again by using our corporately-owned government and corporately-owned media to lead and mislead us (Starr/Schiff, Limbaugh/Maddow…).So, what did the multinational corporations get out of this whole charade? Was it only used to distract us from bipartisan legislation (economic, civil liberties…), or maybe it was used to keep the political divide strong?Since these CIA tactics have worked so well in the US, maybe the multinational corporations will start using them in other countries. Oh wait…Buckle up everyone, here comes coronavirusgate. Don’t forget to pick a side.May 19, 2020 at 16:57Have I reminded everyone to please remember not to underestimate the power of large groups of stupid people who are very wealthy? We all have around 6 months to figure out what to do next. Nothing currently seems to be going very well.I have no clue what Dems plan to do, I don’t think they know. Nothing new there. Nothing new here either I’m still trying to spread hate and discontent amongst partisan politicians and all who practice the long outdated loyalty to evil doers.In a parting shot at loyal Trumpians I wish you this. Please get out there and support your candidate, hug each other, shake hands, do the high five thing. and make sure to cheer him on very loudly. No masks please as they infuriate the “Supreme Ruler” and we can not have “Donnie Virus Denier” upset now can we.I guess if Billy P. pardons enough people maybe he could get elected president, on the other hand maybe he will out live his corrupted idea of how justice is to be dispensed or maybe end up in jail himself.Thanks Ray, be safe!May 19, 2020 at 16:24This reads like something written by someone in a cult…I don’t understand how a reasonable person can continually claim the declassified transcript documents admissions by the witness of “no evidence”, when the witness repeatedly stated the opposite, and provided his reasoning, official standards of evidence, and explained his inability to discuss topics (including evidence) that were classified…p24 re: “We said that we had a high degree of confidence it was the Russian Government. And our analysts that looked at it that had looked at these types of attacks before, many different types of attacks similar to this in different environments, certain tools that were used, certain methods by which they were moving in the environment,and looking at the types of data that was being targeted, that it was consistent with a nation-state adversary and associated with Russian intelligence.”p26: Regarding identification of Russia: “look at an aggregate across many different attacks over a long period of time’ years in many cases, and the intelligence that you collect leads you to a certain conclusion. I think that’s the case here.”p29: “Everything in my experience, sir, having done this for many,many years, both in the government and in the private sector, says that it was the Russian Government.”p32: “32UNCLASSIFIED, COMMITTEE SENSITIVE counsel just reminded me that, as it relates to the DNC’ we have indicators that data was exfiltrated. we did not have concrete evidence that data was exfiltrated from the DNC, but we have indicators that it was exfiltrated’pages 38-41 describe the criteria used for determining state vs non-state intruders.p40: cannot discuss evidence used to identify state actors because it’s classified.p59: : “data over the course of many intrusions over many years, and some of the infrastructure that we saw and some of the specific tactics and tools we’ve only seen associated with this particular [Russian] actor, and it goes back MANY YEARS.”May 19, 2020 at 15:26Ray. We are both 80. Looks like my previous post is being held up. So with all due respect to your contributions, experience and intellect i am concerned that your 80 years currently appear to be influenced by mythological influences.Cal Lash, retired cop.Retired White Collar Crime investigator.Retiring PI.Old guy in a tin can in the Great Sonoran Desert.What’s left of it.In memory of Gary Webb, Robert Parry, Charles Bowden and Edward Abbey.May 19, 2020 at 13:24Really sad to see a once-fine journalist, David Cay Johnston, turn so completely into braying Russiagater. That’s a tough one. I heard a couple years ago that the reason FAIR (Fairness and accuracy in reporting) didnt really cover Russiagate’s awful descent into tabloid lying and security state collusion is that one of FAIR’s honchos was a Russiagater.May 19, 2020 at 12:36Though I detest Trump and every single person associated with him, I hope that the investigation of the Russiagate hoax will at least set a precedent for holding prior administrations accountable for their crimes and misdeeds. Just think how different the nation and the world might be if Bill Clinton had pursued the perpetrators of Iran-Contra affair or Barack Obama had gone after the Bush II people who started the Iraq War on false pretenses. Presidents and their advisors would think twice or thrice about being judged for their actions after they leave office.May 19, 2020 at 12:27I have an off-topic question: Ray McGovern’s avatar–who is that guy?May 19, 2020 at 12:20Ray, i am just on my first cup of coffee here in the great Sonoran Desert. At 80 years i am slow and probably fit your description of senility in this piece. So even though i have mucho respect for your experiences and intellect i am going to think hard about your comments here while i read Greg Olear.I have to put aside my subjective instincts that Barr, Pompeo and Trump are international terrorists.I’ll get back after a breakfast of more coffee and some cactus fruit.May 19, 2020 at 11:24“Military-Industrial-Congressional-Intelligence-Media-Academia-Think-Tank complex (MICIMATT)”MICIMATT reminds me Newspeak.“Resistance Journalism” , coined by Ben Smith describing Ronan Farrow, is its sibling?May 19, 2020 at 11:21Thank you once again Mr McGovern. I do wish, however, that the Blue Faces on NPR (there are no dissenting views expressed – and I don’t mean from the Red faces of the Janus party but from the willing to admit their over-eagerness to jump on the Russia did it DNC bandwagon) could actually bring themselves to accept what you have written: “the Russiagate narrative has in the past few weeks finally collapsed with the revelation that CrowdStrike had no evidence Russia took anything from the DNC servers and that the FBI set a perjury trap for Gen. Michael Flynn.”No chance, apparently.Every news item or whatever that raises the Flynn case does NOT reveal to its audience the fact that evidence has now been made available which demonstrates clearly that the FBI (under orders) set out to entrap Flynn and used extortionist methods to do so. No. Not a bloody word about this. Instead, in true Orwellian-Huxleyan style, every recent mention thus far has reiterated and underlined verbally that Flynn “Lied to the FBI” about his chats with the Russian Ambassador. Nor has there been (at any point since this whole farrago) any mention of the fact that such chats are perfectly *legal* and *normal* for incoming admins etc. (But then NPR *never* admits to being a publicly – as in government via taxpayers – funded, corporate-capitalist-imperialist foundation funded institution. Just as the BBC never admits to being a state funded media – via taxpayers’ mandatory license fees.)The Blue Face supporters (Dem face of the Janus party) cannot let go of Russiagate. And I truly don’t think age is the major factor although they are, perhaps, the most likely to be (like HRC – but she was a Goldwater Girl) Cold War, anti-USSR folks.May 19, 2020 at 10:37Somebody forgot to tell the NYT, WaPo, CNN, MSNBC … ?Corporate media is the propaganda arm of the deep state.“There is no deep state” — former CIA Director Gen. Michael Hayden, NEWSWEEK 5-30-18May 19, 2020 at 09:15Great commentary. In my list of once admired journalists who have fallen prey to an apparently highly contagious disease belongs James Risen. In his “prime age” he did some excellent reporting on NSA and CIA. Several years ago, I followed a debate between him and Greenwald in Intercept on Russiagate. Greenwald, as usual, tore everything about Russiagate to shred. Risen is only 65.Of course it is not only elderly American journalists, but also a huge number of Americans who have been infected with this “disease”. There is no sense arguing with them, just like there was no sense in arguing with them back in 2008 that Obama was not a peace president.The other interesting thing is the use of “conspiracy theory” as a weapon to shut up any questioning about any narrative by the establishment… while using a real conspiracy to fool the people. Not sure what to expect about the future of this country – the one that God supposedly has blessed.May 19, 2020 at 08:21Unfortunately RussiaGate has only collapsed for people who pay attention. Robert Parry’s “Mighty Wurlitzer” cares nothing about truth or evidence. All that is required is VOLUME and repetition.I would like to know why Ray has such confidence in Bill Barr. Given his obvious “caving” on the Jeffrey Epstein “suicide”, as well as previous services to the “Deep State”, I think having trust in Barr to take this fight to the likes of Brennan, Clapper, and Comey is a highly questionable position. I hope I’m wrong.May 19, 2020 at 08:11I would like to forward this piece to a number of my D-friends but I will not because – 1 ) they get angry with me and call me a tRUMP supporter and 2 ) they wouldn’t be open to it or even read it.May 19, 2020 at 06:49I’ve always thought that when you wrong someone, you give them power over you. Several people are about to find out what it means to be in the power of someone like Trump.May 19, 2020 at 04:51I knew what the response to the most recent revelations was going to be and I dreaded it. The more conclusive the evidence, the more desperately they cling to the lie. Evidence will not persuade them because their belief is not evidence based. For various reasons they wanted to believe it and made a leap of faith. Evidence will not fell faith, but it can trigger a painful flare up of cognitive dissonance. They either have to admit that all the op-Ed’s and analysis and arguments are based on a faulty premise, or they double diwn. They always double down which makes doubling down the next time more imperative and rational thought more toxic to them. That’s why we have to suffer through their increasingk insane, convoluted thinking as this incredibly destructive, unbelievably silly narrative crumbles.Comments are closed.Securely by check, credit&nbsp;card or on Patreon:Consortium News LiveMay 2020SMTWTFS&nbsp;21623&nbsp;May 2020SMTWTFS&nbsp;21623&nbsp;

May 22, 2020 at 00:54Ray, what about Judge Emmett Sullivan?May 21, 2020 at 16:16Thank you, Excellent Consortium News People.While reading the comments relative to your excellent articles I keep being amazed how so many commentators can be so confused about what is wrong with the USA Government Voting system when, the following issues are facts.1. There is only one branch of Government in the USA which Democratics and Republicans (joined at the hip) share and represent. While the CIA, FBI, and all the other secret service agencies do the dirty work for filthy rich Oligarchs and the system...

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